Welcome to another summer of SSBMRank. Players, commentators, and figureheads were surveyed for who they thought were the best players of the first half of 2015. We finally delve into the Top 5.
5. Hungrybox – (583 pts)
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| Name: | Juan Debiedma | ||
| Team: | Team Liquid | ||
| Main(s): | Jigglypuff | ||
| Area: | Florida | ||
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Summary
Going under the radar, Hungrybox performed marvelously at Evo once again, defeating PPMD, Mango, and Leffen to get 2nd place. His stellar Jigglypuff has been revamped considerably to deal with the current 2015 metagame, forcing tough decisions on his opponent with aggression and playing back towards the ledge to frustrate his opponents. Although he didn’t quite achieve his dream of winning an Evo, he did manage to stop the 3vO from Mango and quiet Leffen’s ego temporarily. Who knows what is in store for Hungrybox in the future?
Tournament Results
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2015 Set Data vs Big 6
| Armada | Leffen | Mango | Mew2King | PPMD | Total | |
| Hungrybox | 2-5 | 2-2 | 1-2 | 3-0 | 1-0 | 9-9 (50%) |
Hungrybox’s Win Percentage by Stage Against Big 6 (2015)
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Sorry, but this is easily the worst placement ever. Maybe MIOM’s hands were tied or whatever because a panel decided this, but it is fraud. Utter fraud. The guy has NEVER placed below 5th in 2015, and placed above 5th in 5/7 of them. He has a winning record vs PPMD and M2K, and an even record with Leffen. At EVO, the most recent and relevant Supermajor and largest tournament of all time, he got second beating Mango and Leffen and Plup. Meanwhile, Armada will get #1 in the world on the back of his EVO win.
5th place. Disgusting. Misplaced because people didn’t like that he grabbed a ledge too many times.
Just a small nitpick… Armada won’t be getting #1 just because of the EVO win. It’ll be because he’s overall had the best year thus far.
Yeah, Hungrybox deserved at least 4th
yeah fuck this list. hugs over chudat? fuck my ass
Hugs has clearly had the better overall year
Chu’s only, ONLY notable performance was EVO 2015, and while that was definitely an amazing run and really showed that he’s still relevant in his own way, Hugs has definitely had a better year and career recently. Hugs has taken a set off of leffen, and always places well at tournaments. Even at Evo, where Chu beat him, Hugs was on a pretty good run of his own, taking a set off of Axe, to whom he’e lost to at the last Evo. Chu’s still good, but Hugs has simply done more, and winning the head to head once at Evo doesn’t cancel out all the work that Hugs has done this year and in years past
Can’t say I like how he plays but I’d definitely put him at 4th. There’s no reason for PPMD to be above him when he’s only been to two majors this year.
What’s the point in saying he has a winning record over m2k when literally every god does?
You can’t actually think he is better than leffen, Armada, PP or Mango… He is a master at taking out the people on off days but cannot actually win anything. The top 4 are top 4 because they are able to win tournaments. Hbox probably won’t win a super major in the rest of his smash career because he is taken out by people who are playing well. You mention all these wins but fail to see how many players outside the top 4 have either beaten him or been last stock game 5 with him. He even is loosing locals to Plup consistently. He is the giver of free evos and will be no matter how much you whine about it.
Kinda knew this was coming with the extremly biased miom crew. Easily 3rd in my opinion.
This was a panel of 30 people, with 4-5 being from MIOM.
People dislike hbox so I’m not surprised. Too much bias. I suggest revising this.
Is there a list anywhere with the names of the people on the panel. I think most people would like to know.
There is no reason what-so-ever that HBox should be behind PPMD. I don’t know how you guys justified that.
Winning a super major vs not getting the job done in five years actually matters whodathunkit
Yeah you’re right he won 1 tournament 7 months ago. Beating leffen and armadas’ new fox. While going to game three vs PPU and s2j. And at Evo he doesnt even take a GAME off any gods, while going to game 3 vs hugs and sfat.
All that aside, I dont think he should be on this list at all. Everyone else on the list has put themselves up for criticism a hundred times in the last year. PP has gone to 2 tournaments. PP might be number 1 if were going off potential, but I didnt think thats what this list was about.
Hbox definitely deserve to be above Mango on this list.
But I think the Melee it on me panel is biased towards Mango because he is more sympathetic and more popular in general in the melee community.
That’s completely ridiculous. Mango hasn’t had a stellar 2015, yes, but this ranking is supposed to take into account the player’s entire history. Even as recently as November 2014, Mang0 was the dominant player in the scene by a fair margin. He’s won Evo 2k14, MLG, Big House, and a bunch of other majors during the summer of smash last year. HBox has indeed gotten a lot better this year, and has seriously changed his play style and brought out some new tech to keep puff relevant, but his results don’t exactly place him above Mang0. There is definitely an argument for Hbox being above PP, but even then, the last notable tournament Hungrybox won was Paragon 2015, and while that was a pretty good win, he’s had M2Ks number for a while now, and his only big challenge was Armada’s fledgling fox and peach, which has historically been in Hbox’s favor anyway. Mango has won many many supermajors and majors in his recent career, and Hbox just doesn’t have the resume to say that he should be ranked higher than mango. Yes, Hungrybox is more consistent and has shown that he’s still relevant, but he has yet to clutch it out like Mango has
Where its stated that? Everywhere I read it says “First half of the year”.
Why is not ken in the top 5? He dominated the scene for years even overseas.
This ranking should be unbiased, should not take the “the player´s entire history” into account, this is a 2015 first half Ranking.
If mango JV5 every single player in the world on December 31, 2014, its irrelevant.
Its a shame that mango was placed above Hungrybox purely because people are afraid of putting mango below him. He has outperformed Mango this year and has shown incredible consistancy. Ontop of this his losses were not dominant losses (apart from his CEO losses and there he lost to armada and mango, whereas mango lost to Shroomed and Armada). I hope the top smashers stop placing people based off legacy instead of their performances in the time period specified.
He has a losing record against mango, and he never wins tournaments. He wins sets against other good players here and there, but does not take important tournaments. There is something to be said about being able to win tournaments, and hungrybox can’t really do it..
I do think he should be above PPMD though.
Mang0 and Hbox won just as many majors. And I dont think H2H matchups decides who has been better overall this year. Your arguments don’t really justify the order of the ranking.
Mango has a better H2H record AND better average tournament results… What exactly is your argument for putting Hbox over Mango?
I didnt say I put Hbox above Mang0. I’m saying that h2h doesn’t actually show Whos the better overall player. Also if you look at average tournament placings PPMD has an average of 2nd place. Which is probably the highest average which by your definitions means he should be nr. 1?
Yeah, 5th is to low, id say 3.
I was sitting here trying to determine if it was gonna be Mango or Hbox for 3rd place, and he got 5th? That’s actually a terrible ranking on your guys’ part. Hbox has had several notable head to head wins, while still placing well. PP hasn’t beaten a top player since Apex. And Mango has been losing to players like Plup, Shroomed while Hbox has stayed consistent. Add to that Hbox’s placement at Evo, having to beat PP, Mango, AND Leffen. Just doesn’t seem right at all.
This placement should be explained imo
To be fair Hbox has also lost to Plup (although not in nationals) + players like lucky and PewPewU. Still think he should be 3rd though 🙂
Yeah, this result itself shows how biased it is. The other top players can flop and get 9ths or 7ths in different majors, as long as they get an occasional second and first win they get their guaranteed top 3. Not with HBox. Not even consecutive second places in evo and consistantly staying in the top 5 of every major he attends will make him move up.
Have other top 5 players gotten 7th/9th places anywhere?
Leffen taking 9th at Press Start comes to mind.
Yeah, this post shows how biased you are — straight making up results. Mango, PP and Armada haven’t gotten worse than 5th since 2011. Hungrybox placed 7th at MLG Anaheim and 9th at Big House 4.
Hbox can’t even win a tournament. All of the other players in the top 5 have the potential to win tournaments.
Mango can flop this hard throughout the year and still place above Hbox?
LOL THE BIAS
Hbox beat mango ONCE this year and that was a best of 3. I believe Mango won Best of 5’s. In Melee, Best of 5’s determine that better player, not Bo3. Honestly EVO is a fraud tournament because it doesn’t honor BO5 top 8. Get that I hate mang0 bias the fuck out of here.
I can no longer take miom ranks seriously. Hbox should be 3rd or 4th.
I think this ranking is appropriate. While Hbox has had extremely consistent results and hasn’t really dropped below top 5 this year, not all of the top 5 are at every single major ever. PPMD has placed 3rd and 1st in the two tournaments he has entered this year. A small sample set, sure. But HBox just doesn’t have as good as a record, losing to the likes of PPU, Westballz, and Plup, (others?). Also, his loss to Mango at Evo was really due to Mango suiciding, twice. Definitely an anomaly. He would have gotten 5th otherwise. I’m not trying to john for Mango, btw. He doesn’t deserve a top 3 spot, in my opinion. But it’s hard to disregard his legacy so quickly.
Have any of the other top 6 players lost to PPU, Westballz, AND Plup? Not even M2K has! and he’s in a slump!
Well Mang0 has lost to Plup, Shroomed and Westballz.
Leffen has lost to Plup twice, and Sfat.
Dont see your point…
Mango has lost to plup, westballz, shroomed, and axe this year. That’s two out of three of the people on your list plus another two. Besides, westballz, plup and ppu are all top ten players.
Fair enough. But Hungrybox also lost to Lucky, so that also makes four. And Shroomed is of similar caliber. And Hbox loses more Bo5 sets to those lesser top players, not Bo3 losses at Evo, like Leffen and Mango (those plup losses).
Also, I think head to head, Hungrybox would most likely lose to anyone currently ranked above him. Armada, Leffen, PPMD, Mango. Note the “most likely.” And I would definitely bet on him against anyone ranked below him. So I think the ranking is good.
I’m pretty sure we all should agree that if Hbox and PP play now Hbox would poop on him. (like he did at EVO)
Plz for the love of arceus explain y this man is ranked 5th….sigh
stay mad everyone
Dont worry, I will 😉
Yeah I’m going to have to disagree on this. I would say his placements point towards 4th and an arguable 3rd but whatever.
Hbox hasn’t won a supermajor in sooooo long, and has a negative record against mango. Why in the world would he be above mango on the list. Even if Hbox comes second consistently, there is something to be said about actually being able to win a tournament.
To my understanding they’re ranked on the year of 2015, so he has won just as many supermajors as mang0 this year. (0) and As many majors. (1, I dont count BAM) Either one over the other could be justified.
People are saying hbox didn’t actually win anything (apparently ignoring Paragon). I don’t think this actually matters, we are trying to predict avg placement over 1000 tournaments with everyone in attendance. Hbox has been very consistent and placed very highly at majors. I’m not an hbox fan but clearly hbox > mango this year.
Except that Mango has a better average tournament placement this year…
are you guys serious? HBox had worse tournament placings than mango this year…
Mango has to get fourth. There is no way he places higher than that, or this list is completely fraudulent. That is the only way you could justify hbox at 5. Mango has press start and bam, hbox has only paragon. Mango has lost to axe,plup,shroomed, and westballz; hbox has plup,ppu, and westballz (I may be forgetting someone). This would give mango an edge in tournaments, but hbox has the advantage in non god wins/losses. The data isn’t release yet, but mango is up in sets against hbox, leffen, and m2k. I don’t think he has played ppmd, and I believe he is losing to armada. Where as hbox is up in sets against m2k (who I believe every god is up in sets) and ppmd (and tbh 1-0 doesn’t speak as loudly as something like 2-5 vs armada). As long as mango gets fourth, it makes sense for hbox to get fifth. Calm down guys. Wait for the entire list to come out first before claiming player A’s placement is wrong because of wins/loses over players B,C, and D
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There is no objective world where Hbox is the fourth best player when looking at strictly 2015. This is hilarious.